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SPIRIT OF THE SEA · Jan 16, 2007, 03:34 AM // 03:34

Ive heard a few times in elonian explorrers leauge about how people are confused how murrsat connect to abbadon. I've obviously notices magorite have some wings things and so do murrsat. Murrsat were killed or sworn off didnt really pay attention. Murrsat have armor they get sworn off or killed (didnt pay attention rember) and magarites are zombie things without armor. Pehaps Murrsat are still serving their god and came back for him (or her

wouldnt be suprised a million refrences between GWP/GWN such as dunkuro unleashed info into that his son went to attack abbadon in tombs of primveal kings. And considering theres a A/B team im sure Utopia will have refrences from Factions, Wouldnt even blink.

Sooooooo to wrap up all that mumbo jumbo. Is it possible that magorite and the new form of murrsat?

Iuris · Jan 16, 2007, 07:41 AM // 07:41

Unlikely. We may not know exactly what Mursaat are (race of spellcasters is abit vague), but we do know that the margonites are simply humans transformed by Abaddon's gift of magic. Only one type of margonite has wings, and that's the ascendant, who is the margonite equivalent of a paragon. Also note that margonites walk while the Mursaat float.

Any link between Abaddon and the Mursaat hits a reef halfway through the strait: the Mursaat did everything they could to oppose the release of the titans into Tyria, and in this directly opposed the Lich, who is a servant of Abaddon.

Note that it is certain that the Lich and the titans are servants of Abaddon, as we encounter them in the Realm of torment and witness first hand both the boastful confession (and subsequent destruction) of the demon who first corrupted Khilbron and the titan rejection of the charr as useless.

If the Mursaat were the servants of Abaddon, why would they go to all that trouble of killing off the chosen merely to keep the door of Komalie closed, preventing the armies of Abaddon from entering Tyria? All they'd need to do would be to stop...

P.S. It's not a grand act of deception - we know that killing people on bloodstones keeps the door of Komalie closed, as we do the same to close the gate by killing the Lich.

gilgameshx · Jan 17, 2007, 09:27 AM // 09:27

*Oops, actually got Margonite and Mursaat mixed up*

The Enchanted Armors were former Mursaat warriors/bowmen. Now controlled by the Forgotten. I wonder why the Mursaat decided to use structures of Abaddon instead? Like the Jade Armors since they look like Abaddon.

I also thought that the bloodstone and the sacrificing of the chosen was mainly to give the Mursaat power, such as those Ether Seals and possible Jade Armors.

None of the Margonites achieved ascension. It's a possibility that the Mursaat did achieve it, but probably the warriors/bowmen failed. But why did the Mursaat achieve ascension when they are the ones who don't believe in the 5 gods?

I remember one person said that Abaddon was probably at the Ring of Fire and created all the structures before the Mursaat came and took over the place when Abaddon was banished. The Mursaat probably took advantage of the structures and created the Jade Armors. Just like how the Forgotten made the Enchanted Armors. Also one of the Dwarves in Ring of Fire islands mentioned about the structures were created to keep "people" from coming out and to keep people from going in.

In my theory, I thought the Mursaat would be Abaddon's servants. But they decided to go their own ways after discovering the Flameseeker's Prophecies and the power of the Titans. And the NF quests about The Unseen, I just don't think it is a coincidence but it might be them. But why would Abaddon summoned the Mursaat after what happened in Prophecies. I guess my theory is wrong and we won't find out about the Mursaat until hopefully in Ch.4. Unless Abaddon found a way to control them.

The Titans were mentioned as twisted souls in Domain of Anguish. But why is the place they are created called Foundry of Failed Creations and why do they only listen to the Sceptor of Orr?

BTW, the Paragon Margonite has wings just like how a Paragon has wings when he chants. The wings has nothing to do with being ascended. The only Margonite that floats is the necromancer one.

MegaMouse · Jan 17, 2007, 07:21 PM // 19:21

The Mursaat were guarding the "Door of Khomalie" to keep it closed. In order to keep it closed they sacraficed the "Chosen" using their spirits to recharge the "Battery" that powered the seal on the door. We learn that the door is a way into the "Rhelm of Tormet", so why would the Mursaat keep a door closed for so long if they worshiped the god that lay behind it. We also know that the Mursaat "a race of Powerful spellcasters". Kinda criptic isn't it.
In this I agree: the mursaat and the Margonites cannot be related. They have different backstories that tlll us that the Margonites were corrupted humans, but the Mursaat have been around for at least as long as the gods because theyu took the Bloodstone into their charge to keep the flameseeker profecies from happening.

Mega Mouse

Feme Assassin · Jan 17, 2007, 07:25 PM // 19:25

i agree with mega mouse

Free Runner · Jan 17, 2007, 08:04 PM // 20:04

Margonites - "Blessed" Humans turned into Demons serving Abaddon in the Realm Of Torment (Until Nightfall).

Mursaat - A race of spellcasters looking out for only themselves.

Not much to relate. If the Mursaat had at all served Abaddon they would be in the Realm Of Torment. All those who come into contact with Abaddon become tainted....

Sophitia Leafblade · Jan 18, 2007, 11:21 AM // 11:21

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Originally Posted by gilgameshx

The Enchanted Armors were former Mursaat warriors/bowmen. Now controlled by the Forgotten.

None of the Margonites achieved ascension. It's a possibility that the Mursaat did achieve it, but probably the warriors/bowmen failed. But why did the Mursaat achieve ascension when they are the ones who don't believe in the 5 gods?

I remember one person said that Abaddon was probably at the Ring of Fire and created all the structures before the Mursaat came and took over the place when Abaddon was banished. The Mursaat probably took advantage of the structures and created the Jade Armors. Just like how the Forgotten made the Enchanted Armors. Also one of the Dwarves in Ring of Fire islands mentioned about the structures were created to keep "people" from coming out and to keep people from going in.

The enchanted are just empty armour sets of former humans that attempted to Ascend. Theres plenty of bones and such like in the dessert it wouldnt take much for the forgotten to enchant the Armour (like Unyielding Aura) and then use them to further there ends (since they are a deminising race)

Thinking about it if u notice the Seals on the doors are all sealed on the outside of the doors. So perhaps rather than keeping people out the fortress is designed to keep things in. It is possible the Margonites former masters of the Jades were locked away here until Abaddon found away to draw them into his realm and then to release them elsewhere in the world (when needed). With the Margonites taken from the mortal realm the Jades woudl have no masters and would stop functioning. If the Mursaat then (upon discovering the Flame Seeker prophecies) arrive and took over control of the Ring of fire in there own protection and found the Jades inanimate they could have used there magics to bound the Jades to them as there new masters.

And we dont actually know if the Mursaat beleive in the 5 gods or not, all we know is The White mantle conceive them as gods. (whats to say they didnt think of them as Demigods similar to the luxons with there demigods)

As for the margonites i dont beleive them to be former humans, they could possibly be or atleast some of them, but most of them are more beastlike than human looking eg. Mallyx

Shuuda · Jan 18, 2007, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Mallyx reminded me of a titan when I 1st saw him, prehaps it means something.

Free Runner · Jan 18, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

As for the margonites i dont beleive them to be former humans, they could possibly be or atleast some of them, but most of them are more beastlike than human looking eg. Mallyx

The Margonites were former Humans as shown by Jadoth and the fact they were his followers in the battle. But since they became blessed they have become demonic images of Abaddon himself. This could of been something to do with them being locked away in the Realm Of Torment. Mallyx could of been something other than Human or maybe was twisted with power of somesort. Or perhaps he was too powerful in his human form causing him to take the shape of a beastlike demon.

Sophitia Leafblade · Jan 18, 2007, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Either im missing something (lol which is always possible

) but as far as i Know the actually species of Jadoth before he was turned into a Margonite is debatable, there are plenty of species that are sentient and the information on him does not actually say he was human. Note the large amount of Fins etc. on the margonites. Possible a results of there corruption (Since Abaddon is also the god of the Seas) but more likely there were a seperate species

Free Runner · Jan 18, 2007, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

Either im missing something (lol which is always possible

) but as far as i Know the actually species of Jadoth before he was turned into a Margonite is debatable, there are plenty of species that are sentient and the information on him does not actually say he was human. Note the large amount of Fins etc. on the margonites. Possible a results of there corruption (Since Abaddon is also the god of the Seas) but more likely there were a seperate species

You make a very good point. He was chased by the Forgotton armies and at some point before or after the battle became the Margonite we now know. But i suspect him of being Human more than any other species. Note that there are few species other than humans that follow the 5 gods. Most seem to follow their own God and there are not many hints of a seperate species known as Margonites. As for Fins i only see two Margonite types with some fin like wings.

draxynnic · Jan 19, 2007, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

And we dont actually know if the Mursaat beleive in the 5 gods or not, all we know is The White mantle conceive them as gods. (whats to say they didnt think of them as Demigods similar to the luxons with there demigods)

Unlikely. In some of the missions, you see White Mantle talking about how to bring about the new world all worship of the Old Gods must be eradicated and sentiments of that nature. It doesn't really seem likely that the Mursaat would put up with such behaviour if they were followers of the Five Gods themselves.

Come to think of it, one possible explanation is that the Mursaat knew what Abaddon did, and part of their long-term plans involved creating a world without gods to forestall the chance of another god going bonkers.

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As for the margonites i dont beleive them to be former humans, they could possibly be or atleast some of them, but most of them are more beastlike than human looking eg. Mallyx

At least some are, as there are references to new Margonites being made out of humans - specifically, Kournan troops. And you actually see it happen in the Ruins of Morah mission.

That said, it's entirely possible that rather than all being drawn from a single race, the original Margonites were basically formed from any mortal worshipper of Abaddon that wished immortality in his service.

MegaMouse · Jan 20, 2007, 07:04 AM // 07:04

Several good points are brought up here. One sticks to my head though. Allt eh monsters in the Realm Of Torment are 1 followers of Abbadon or 2 those corrupted by Abbadon and his followers. Saying this we never see Jade armor or even Mursaat in The Realm Of Torment (or did I miss them in my many wanderings?). So neither of them were corrupted by Abbadon.

Mega Mouse

Guildmaster Cain · Jan 23, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

About the gods and mursaat

We know about the gods, that they are not the first (Grenth, Kormir, and actually the rest as well). And it is also certain they will not be the last (Abaddon, Dhuum and the forgotten predecessors).
Abaddon has more power then 2 gods combined, since he is a bit older then the 5. He was the one that brought magic (aka prometheus giving fire) to the world of Tyria. Because this also brought destruction, the 5 decided to bind this magic to bloodstones. Abaddon opposed this decision, went into war with the other gods, got defeated and the magic was sealed in the bloodstones.
After a while all was peace and happiness and the gods decided that they should create more planets in the universe. Thus they left (exodus).

Now we know the mursaat are from another planet, just like the Seers (their former foes). Was this planet also created by the gods, but after they created the world known as Tyria?

The original Margonites were a race living in or near the sea, because of their devotion to Abaddon, he turned them into the creatures as we know them now.
The new Margonites are created from human followers and are given the likeness of the older (more powerfull) Margonites, which you encounter in Torment realm. Maybe Mallyx is a different mutation of the original Margonite body, or this is how they actually looked like before the transformation.

draxynnic · Jan 24, 2007, 10:33 AM // 10:33

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Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain

Now we know the mursaat are from another planet, just like the Seers (their former foes). Was this planet also created by the gods, but after they created the world known as Tyria?

Or before. The Mursaat and Seers did seem to be a more advanced race than any on Tyria (with the possible exception of the Forgotten, which the Prophecies manual quite clearly lists as not being a native of Tyria). It could be that the Mursaat, Seers and Forgotten are all natives of a previous world, and it just happened to be the Forgotten that the Gods trusted as the caretakers of the next.

...which raises an interesting concept for a future chapter: Playing the role of the Forgotten for whatever world the Gods are working on now.

Allanon754 · Jan 24, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

The mursaat could be margonites who refused to follow Abaddon